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========================================================================= (C) 1994 by Atari Corporation, GEnie, and the Atari Roundtables. May be reprinted only with this notice intact. The Atari Roundtables on GEnie are *official* information services of Atari Corporation. To sign up for GEnie service, call (with modem) 800-638-8369. Upon connection type HHH (RETURN after that). Wait for the U#= prompt.Type XTX99437,GENIE and press [RETURN]. The system will prompt you for your information. ========================================================================== Category 2, Topic 30 Message 1 Sun Jul 17, 1994 B.JENSEN1 [BJ] at 21:39 PDT Roger Burrows wanted to know how to set up a Topic for his company's fine product - ExtenDOS so I set one up for him here. - BJ - ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 2 Sun Jul 17, 1994 VORTEXT at 23:16 PDT I'm still wondering when a fix will be released that takes care of the problem of Aladdin and some other programs being able to find their files. Any news? Daniel ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 3 Mon Jul 18, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 18:56 EDT Glad to see an ExtenDOS topic. I have "Secret of ExtenDOS" ... that's right, a singular version of my "Secrets" tips 'n' tricks. (That's because I've only had a day or two to work with ExtenDOS.) IT MUST NOT HAVE THE TT RAM FLAGS TURNED ON. It crashes when EXTENDOS.PRG is set for TT RAM. I suspect Roger is not a TT user, or he would have spotted this right away in development. I don't know yet if the BOS and DOS drivers can have their TT RAM flags on, but ExtenDOS can't, at least not in my system. I suspect others may be the same. ... Flash! I have a second secret, so now I can say I am working on "Secrets of ExtenDOS".... This one is neat. Listen up, folks. You know from the documentation that after the BOS and DOS lines, you can enter the full pathnames of programs you want to run after ExtenDOS, right? Heck, that's only half right. You can use ExtenDOS as an program launcher any way you want. In other words, you can comment out the BOS and DOS lines and just have ExtenDOS run specific programs (in the order you list them), or you can have ExtenDOS run specific programs BEFORE the BOS and DOS drivers as well as after them. Here's an excellent example. ExtenDOS will not work properly if ICD's write cache is active. If you normally use the write cache (which speeds up hard- disk operations by a factor of 3 to 10 or more), you can't boot up with ExtenDOS without running ICD's HDUTIL.PRG, setting the write cache to OFF, saving the configuration and rebooting. But because ExtenDOS will run any program BEFORE the BOS and DOS drivers, all you need to do is put a line like this before the BOS and DOS lines: c:\drivers\cacheoff.prg (with the pathname changed to the location of your ICD cache utilities -- you know, the ones that came with your ICD software) and you can boot up with ExtenDOS perfectly. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 4 Mon Jul 18, 1994 D.MCANDREW at 22:06 EDT (Goodness, I had no idea this came about as recent as this...) Has anyone been successful in setting up the CONFIG file for dealing with 2 (or more) CD-ROMs within a system setup?? I recently added a Toshiba XM-4101B within my tower & coexists with a Syquest 270 and an external NEC CDR-25. Right now the boot-up seems to recognize everything, but I cannot open a directory window to the Toshiba. I can to the NEC-25. I have SCSI IDs set at 0 for the Syquest, 4 - Toshiba, and 5 - NEC. The physical and logical ids are Z:5 & P:Z for the NEC, and W:4 & Q:W for the Toshiba. I'm still testing and am beginning to suspect I may have a problem with the Toshiba. Hope to hear tha Anodyne is out here in cyberspace somewhere! (How are you, Al [Fasoldt]... you sure do get around...) ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 5 Mon Jul 18, 1994 GREG at 23:07 CDT Roger: I ran into a CD that ExtenDOS doesn't like. I will get a copy out to you this week to look at. It's All Relative ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 6 Tue Jul 19, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 08:39 EDT I haven't tried ED with two drives yet. (Gimme a chance, will ya? <g>). Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 7 Tue Jul 19, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 21:19 EDT (In my worst... Gilda Radnor impersonation... "Never mind"!) Woops, my fault. It turned out that one of the mounting screws was too long and preventing the CD drawer from operating freely. The Toshiba now coexists somewhat happily with everything else. Something to add with your "Secrets.." file, Al. In order to add additional CD-ROMS, all you need to do is add duplicate (essentially) ...*BOS and *DOS dirver lines in the CNF file. You just have to ensure that you work 'backwards' from the drive letters Z (for physical id) and P (for the logical id). Hope that makes sense. Now what I really would like to know is just how Photo CD multi-session really works. I mean specifically. Does Extendos care about this or not ? (Transparent maybe?) I try using Calamus SL and its PCD driver to read such a disk, but it just accesses the CD... forever. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Meanwhile, I shall be cruising through the cat/topics to see if this answer lies elsewhere. Thanks folks. Time to cut it short. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 8 Wed Jul 20, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 06:17 EDT I have one Photo CD so far, and ExtenDOS is able to handle it. I wonder if there are varied standards for Photo CD disks? Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 9 Wed Jul 20, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 20:51 EDT Interesting question; I have recently acquired two (but my first) Photo CDs. They appear to be relatively new on the market. There are 100 photos of a particular theme on each disk. One is called SKIES and the other is called WALLS. (I am anticipating using them for DTP if you hadn't noticed... but then alot of what I do is usually quite obvious.) So far I have not yet been able to see them onscreen, yet the packaging shows the 100 thumbnails. They look good (but then my vision isn't doing so hot lately). Catch you later. (P.S. Al, if you don't mind my asking... just how are you able to cover so many categories and topics within these RT's???? DO you have an automatic retrieval somehow I suspect? [I may have been an account holder for some time, but I haven't picked up in this expertise just yet].) ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 10 Wed Jul 20, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 22:35 EDT Simulator, Yep, I have an automatic system, and it's called Aladdin. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 11 Wed Jul 20, 1994 GREG at 21:43 CDT D.MCANDREW: Photo Show Pro for the STe and Falcon can display your Kodak Photo CD disc. Al: The Corel Photo CD series is written in 9660 format. Most other Kodak Photo CD discs and all that you have done yourself are written in XA format. ExtenDOS can read both types with the right drive. What drive did you pick up? ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 12 Thu Jul 21, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 01:11 EDT Greg, I bought an OEM NEC 210 from MacWarehouse for $199. It came with a SCSI cable, and is an external drive. No brand name on the enclosure, but ExtenDOS reports it as an NEC 210. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 13 Thu Jul 21, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 18:17 EDT Al, The Corel photo-cd disks are actually ISO 9660 disks with Photo CD files on them. Real KODAK format Photo-CD disks are a proprietary format that require a driver like that provided with It's All Relative's Photo CD program Photo Show. Greg, You beat me to the "punch" but at least I tried. <grin> Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 14 Thu Jul 21, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 20:50 EDT To All (Al, Greg, Koloth): Boy am I glad I spoke up!! Thanks, folks, you made my day! (Greg, you little devil, now I HAVE to trudge down to TOAD's place again... he just loves it when I come, I never forget my checkbook. Photo SHow Pro it is!) I'd hate to tell you all how much is tied up in all this here in my basement. Gotta stop ramblin' and' get to work. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 15 Fri Jul 22, 1994 VORTEXT at 00:14 PDT I'd STILL like to know if any fix is coming for the problem ExtenDOS creates with some progs not finding their files. I hate having to re-boot anytime i want to go using Aladdin or my CD stuff. Real pain. Daniel ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 16 Fri Jul 22, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 04:15 EDT Lee, Thanks for the explanation. Let's hope Greg gets the TT030 version of Photo Show onto his must-do list soon! Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 17 Fri Jul 22, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 07:22 EDT In fact (as VORTEX might also be indicating), I notice that EXTENDOS seems to work for the most part under GENEVA, but gives an error message of -1 each time you access the drive. THat is to say, any time you open the window or change to any other directory level - this error prompt comes up. It doesn't do this if I am not running GENEVA. Will this be made compatible soon?? ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 18 Fri Jul 22, 1994 AEO.1 [Albert Dayes] at 09:32 EDT Simulator, How technical of an explaination do you want on how multi-session works? For technical details you need the Orange Book and look in the part II section which details the multi-session for CD-WO discs. Also Kodak was giving away their multi-session spec that they use for Photo CD. The one that Kodak uses and other manufactures use is slightly different and can cause some problems. From what I recall the Kodak multi-session specification was free to anyone who wanted it just by calling them. There was a little bit about it in AEO vol 2 number 1 in my CD-ROM article. But it was a logical explaination rather than a very detailed technical examination of the multi-session topic. -- Albert ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 19 Fri Jul 22, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 21:12 EDT Hhhmmm... I see I should have thought about that a tad more. Perhaps I should have said something like, without using something such as the PCD driver of Calamus SL or Photo SHow Pro, can one view a 'directory' of such a photo cd to determine the 'files' that represent any of the five resolutions of one photo. Would you see such a list? Not yet having made the "experience" I don't yet know what to expect. I am aware of the identification of the different specs, red book, white book, yellow, (whatever other colours... yuk, yuk), 9660, and High Sierra. But until one (particularly me) actually gets his hands on, it is difficult to visualize just what to expect. (Guess this explains why my hobby is so blasted expensive.) Hope that gives a better idea of where I'm coming from. Talk at ya later. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 20 Sat Jul 23, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 08:36 EDT Al, No problem. I just wish I had more time to put into helping Atarians - the best people in the computer community. Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 21 Sat Jul 23, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 19:36 EDT To: AEO.1, GREG,.... ...... Well, golle, shucks, and hush my mouth (sheepish grin)./ OK, folks. I finally learned something today. And all this time I'd been using GENEVA on my Falcon, little did I know that Photo SHow Pro runs under Multitos... and the Photo CD ROM (XA) driver only operates under Multitos. Now I know. Oh, I'm not complaining. I enjoy learning new stuff. It just takes me time is all. Now I know what I've been hearing/reading all this time. As for my rambling I will now get to the point of this topic (and, of course, my question), will EXTENDOS be upgraded at some point to include the XA standard (as it already deal with the other two) ?? Later, 'gators. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 22 Sat Jul 23, 1994 VORTEXT at 22:15 PDT As to the error -1 message under Geneva. I used to get that too, but it turned out to be something simple that I can't remember right now. I know that isn't much help, but it's not a compatibility problem. Its a toggle in Geneva that need to be switched. Daniel ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 23 Sun Jul 24, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 07:55 EDT VORTEXT, I don't have Geneva, but I think it had something to do with it checking the boot secotors of floppies or something.... Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 24 Sun Jul 24, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 15:00 EDT Hhhmm... I'l start experimenting with that part of it. Thank you. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 25 Sun Jul 24, 1994 R.HOEKSTRA1 [RandyH] at 19:43 CDT Vortex & Simulator, the problem I have been having with ExtenDOS and Geneva results in programs not being able to access files on any drive other than C:. That is to say, when the program relies on the the system path it can't find it's resource files on other partitions, and the Geneva file selector couldn't access the CD-ROM either. I have been testing a fix for this (up until it quite working a few days ago, I think the beta version expired or something) and it had been working great. The other problem with the error each time you open the drive or folder on the CD ROM had to do with an option in NeoDesk. Under 'Set Preferences' and 'More...' there is a switch for checking executable boot sectors. With this turned off, the problem went away. Not sure if this only happened with Geneva and NeoDesk or not, but it was fixed by changing this in NeoDesk. RandyH ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 26 Mon Jul 25, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 07:17 EDT Randy H., It was the NeoDesk "check executable boot sectors" switch that I was thinking of. The other problem I'm not sure about... Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 27 Mon Jul 25, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 21:23 EDT VORTEXT The problem with ExtenDOS/Gerneva is fixed in ExtenDOS 1.20, which is shipping this week. Look out for an announcement here shortly, including upgrade info. Al Fasoldt, Thanks for posting the info re TT RAM etc. There's now a note in the README file about not setting the TT RAM flags. BTW, ExtenDOS 1.20 should now get along just fine with the ICD write cache. D.MCANDREW, ExtenDOS works fine with multiple drives (I've had up to 3 attached concurrently). All you need to do is have 2 *BOS lines & 2 *DOS lines ... it sounds like you're doing the right thing. In fact, the drives can be any letters that aren't used (actually the _physical_ drives are distinct in ExtenDOS's tiny mind from the logical, so you can even have them the same, but I thought that might be a mite confusing to try to explain in the manual). GREG, Looking forward to getting that CD ... Roger Burrows / Anodyne Software ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 28 Mon Jul 25, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 23:38 EDT Thanks, Roger! The Geneva compatibility will serve a big purpose here, since I do not boot up without Geneva. My TT feels naked without it. :-) Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 29 Mon Jul 25, 1994 VORTEXT at 22:51 PDT You're right Randy. It was the NeoDesk thing. I got confused. Knew it was something like that. Daniel THANK YOU ROGER! I look forward to the fix and being able to use ExtenDOS all the time. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 30 Tue Jul 26, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 19:26 EDT RanyH, Thank you! Roger, Thank you!! everybody,... Thank you, thank you, thank you. P.S. Roger, I notice that no mention of ExTENDing (pun intended) to include XA is mentioned. Can we hope at least??? ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 31 Wed Jul 27, 1994 B.SALDANA1 [BOB S] at 01:07 PDT Roger- I finally got back on after a hard drive wipe out trying to get Extendos going. I have the link 1 and have repartioned the drive. It seems to work hooking the link to the Nec 210 first then going to the Maxtor 120. Before that I wasn't able to boot off the hard drive at all and even after I unplugged the CDrom it was a disaster. Any way lesson to the wise the Mac World Nec came with the Id set to 4. The two little buttons in the back + advances the number - reduces the number. How cute. Then as Al said it is plug and go and don't forget to back up your important hard drive data!!!!!!!!!!! Nice program Roger<G> Did it have a registration card? Did I register? Bob Saldana Bob S ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 32 Wed Jul 27, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 08:33 EDT Bob, Sorry to hear of your HD problems, but glad to hear all is well now. Mine just plugged in and worked (after I set the RAM flags to ST RAM). ID 4 worked fine, too, since my TT internal drive is ID 0, my big Toshiba is ID 1, my Floptical is ID 2. The SCSI IDs don't have to be sequential on the TT (nor on the Link, as far as I know), so I just left the NEC 210 at 4. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 33 Wed Jul 27, 1994 S.AGARWAL [SANJAY] at 19:32 EDT Roger, Glad to hear about the ExtenDOS/Geneva fix in ExtenDos 1.20 :-}... Sanjay. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 34 Wed Jul 27, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 21:52 EDT Here's a brief summary of the latest announcements from Anodyne Software. You can read the full text in EXTENPRO.TXT and EDOS_V12.TXT which have (just) been uploaded to the libraries. ExtenDOS v1.20 is now available. It fixes the Geneva problem, works properly with the ICD write cache, and supports multisession photoCD. Suggested retail remains at $29.95 (your mileage may vary ;-)). A patch file will be uploaded to the GEnie libraries (probably next weekend) to allow owners of previous versions to upgrade. ExtenDOS Pro will be available in mid-August. It provides all of the functions of ExtenDOS v1.20, plus audio CD support for many drives. The audio support is built into the drivers, thus allowing future third-party software to control/play audio CDs in a device-independent manner. ExtenDOS Pro includes a DA/GEM program that implements an audio CD player. Suggested retail price is $39.95. Upgrades will be available to existing ExtenDOS owners. Roger Burrows / Anodyne Software ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 35 Wed Jul 27, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 23:14 EDT D.MCANDREW, Re XA: photoCD, as in the kind you get from the photo store, uses XA format CDs at the hardware level, but ISO9660 at the file level. Do you have a specific function or CD in mind that uses XA in some other manner ? BOB S, Glad you got your setup working. Yes, there should have been a registration card in the package, and No, I didn't see yours yet (but it could be the infamous Canada Post). Roger Burrows / Anodyne Software ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 36 Thu Jul 28, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 06:16 EDT Roger, Great news about the v1.20 upgrade and the ExtenDOS Pro version. Keep up the good work! <grin> Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 37 Thu Jul 28, 1994 B.SALDANA1 [BOB S] at 06:59 PDT Roger- Yeah I thought there might be some kind of conflict with ICD Soft cause I would always get just drive A&B only after booting up but it seems that if I go from the Link one to the Nec 210 then the Hard drive it works using your default quick setup. I'm interested in your Pro series for the Audio capabilities. I'll have to look around for the Reg card. Does my disk have a serial number I could give you E-mail? Bob S ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 38 Thu Jul 28, 1994 J.ROBORECKY [RAILROAD] at 18:09 EDT Bob, I had the same problem with my MAXTOR hard drive and NEC-210. What I did was to put the termination restors back on the hard drive. When I did this I was able to have my hard drive 1st. When I had the CD-ROM 1st. the files on the HD were getting corrupted. Everything works fine now with this setup. Joe ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 39 Thu Jul 28, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 22:01 EDT TO: Roger, Well, what I really mean is that it appears I can read the directory structure of either an ISO9660 or High Sierra as if it were 'just another hard drive'. This I can do just in opening a window to the device (while in Neodesk/Geneva). But it appears I can't do that with a Photo CD in place. Why not? In order to run Phot SHow Pro & subsequently view any Photo CD, it appears I must boot up under Multi-TOS. If it weren't for the memory requirements... why couldn't I do this under Geneva/Neodesk? Will the XFS driver work under that environment? If so, how? (Until I can actually max my Falcon's memory without losing some portion of its internals... maybe the Barracuda can help there... will it possible to have a CD driver that can provide all 3 formats transparently to the user?) I hope this is making sense, as anyone can tell this is not an area of expertise for me... at least not yet. Thanks. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 40 Fri Jul 29, 1994 GREG at 20:13 CDT D.MCANDREW: You need MultiTOS to run an XFS driver. Anodyne has an update to ExtenDOS coming that may help you. What drive are you using? It's All Relative ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 41 Fri Jul 29, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 21:35 EDT Hello, Greg. I am using both an NEC CDR-25 and a Toshiba XM-4101TA. (Only the Toshiba is multi-session.) Anyway, that is what I suspected about the XFS driver(s) - that it is only usable under MultiTOS. Wouldn't you know it, that I'd be asking such questions without even knowing about Anodyne's anouncement this weekend?? Go figure. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 42 Mon Aug 01, 1994 S.MCGEE2 [Sam] at 18:33 PDT Anodyne Software, I noticed that I can run EXTENDOS.PRG from the Desktop but then there are occasional performance problems: long CD access times, CD not found, etc. I only power up my CD player on demand which is usually after my system has been running for several hours. Can the program be changed to run from the Desktop reliably or is the AUTO folder TSR necessary? Secondly, will there be a fix for the P>15 problem using the GEMini disc? Both of these requests are trivial but it never hurts to ask:) Sam ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 43 Tue Aug 02, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 00:06 EDT D.MCANDREW, I don't believe the NEC 25 will support photoCD, but the Toshiba will. Wait for ExtenDOS v1.20 (soon appearing here!). Meanwhile, please do me a favour and make a note of the _exact_ message that announces your device (e.g. Device is TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-3401TA). Please send me the exact message (spaces are important). ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 44 Tue Aug 02, 1994 GREG at 20:10 CDT D.MCANDREW: The NEC-25 will not support Photo CD. This is a hardware limitation, not a software one. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 45 Tue Aug 02, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 21:40 EDT To: GREG and R.BURROWS1 Well, the packaging for the NEC 25 said that it is PHOTO-CD CAPABLE but not multi-session. When I obtained OEM documentation on this from NEC, they sent me a doc on the model 35 (I called and a technician said they are functionally equivalent.) I have yet to test this (imminent within 24 hrs). According to the bootup, Extendos displays the following device ID names: NEC______CD-ROM_DRIVE:25 for the NEC 25, and TOSHIBA__CD- ROM_XM-4101TA for (the obvious). I used underscores for the blanks so they would be easier to count. For the Toshiba, the enclosed manual reads for the model(s): XM-4101B/TXM4101L1. I expect no significant differences from the manual and the enclosed equipment. For what it's worth, the only 2 Photo-CD disks that I have appear (from what I understand) to have 100 photos with an average compressed file size near 4megabytes. (Now that I can read these under MultiTOS. I can finally read the disk like any other disk! Duh, takes me a while. However, I believe this experience tells me that these were 'pressed' in a single session. Just how does one 'experience' multi-session? Is it multiple windows as a result of multiple accesses to the drive?? Just a dumb*** guess, but I'd love to know.) Thanks guys, nice to be around. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 46 Wed Aug 03, 1994 AEO.1 [Albert Dayes] at 01:43 EDT Simulator, Multi-Session just adds another TOC (Table of Contents) on the CD that gives it the locations of all the directories, files etc. This includes the new data that was added to the disk. The new TOC is not at the beginning of the disc that all CD-ROM drives look at first. If it is multisession it searches the disc for more TOCs. When it finds that last TOC )on the disk) it knows that it is the most current (up to date TOC) and uses it. -- Albert ps: From the user point of view the CD-ROM feels just like a normal single session experience. <grin> ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 47 Wed Aug 03, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 06:26 EDT Simulator, The disks that have 100 photos are probably COREL photo disks, right ? They are ISO 9660 Format, not true Photo-CD format, like what Kodak sells and you can have made at the photo shops. Corel did this specifically so that there'd be more drives out there that could handle their images. Sometimes you can get the Kodak demo disk cheaply at computer swap meets. Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 48 Wed Aug 03, 1994 J.ROBORECKY [RAILROAD] at 18:10 EDT Simulator, Can you provide me with the address and telephone number for NEC. I would like to get the documentation for an OEM NEC CDR-210. Thank you. Joe ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 49 Wed Aug 03, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 22:29 EDT AEO.1 [Albert Dayes] Thanks, Al. Appreciate it very much. L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] While I think I understand that, I was under the impression that if the disk were made in compliance with ISO 9660 - then I should be able to see the directory just by opening a window under Geneva/Neodesk as booting with Extendos... (this I usually do). Such is the case for a variety of other CDs that I have that seem to indicate their intended use for either PC/clone or Macintosh, or both. Yet these two CDs (which I did pick up at a computer show) don't seem to show me any reference to Corel or its trademark (what is that trademark anyway? I do see the Kodak Photo CD trademark but no other. Hhhm, stranger and stranger.) J.ROBORECKY [RAILROAD] I'll be glad to help. I can get this info uploaded tomorrow's date. (I should have these notes at work, will let you know.) ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 50 Wed Aug 03, 1994 GREG at 22:25 CDT D.MCANDREWS: After you get a roll of film written to a Photo CD and go back and get\ a second rol written to the same disc, it becomes multi-session. A mechanical failure or delay during the writing of a disc can also make a single roll multi-session. If you request single-session only, most photo providers will honor your request. almost ALL commercial CD's in Photo CD format are single-session. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 51 Wed Aug 03, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 23:32 EDT Sam, Running EXTENDOS.PRG from the desktop should work just as well as from the AUTO folder. What CD-ROM drive do you have, and how is it hooked to your system (e.g. direct to a TT/Falcon, via a Link to an ST or what)? ExtenDOS version 1.20 (upgrade appearing here soon!) will fix the P>15 problem that occurs with the Gemini disk. Roger Burrows / Anodyne Software ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 52 Thu Aug 04, 1994 AEO.1 [Albert Dayes] at 00:57 EDT Simulator, ISO-9660 is a filesystem, just like DOS, GEMDOS and MAC's HFS filesystem. Some people call is a DOS filesystem but that is not really correct. The main reason is the ISO-9660 filesystem has many of the same limits that the DOS filesystem has. For example the 8 character limit on filenames and 3 character for extensions. That is the lowest level of compliance with the standard ISO-9660 (level 1). Levels 2 and 3 allow for 30 character filenames with 30 character extensions. This or rather these levels are rarely used at all. On Unix you can have 255 character filenames and many more attributes the simple ones that DOS/GEMDOS allows (hidden/system/read-only, etc). The Rock Ridge extension allows one to use the system use fields in the directory entries that are not used. In these special spaces one can store any operating specific stuff and still remain complain. Under Unix, Rock Ridge can store all 255 character filenames, have deep directories (DOS/GEMDOS is limited to 8 levels, Unix does not have a limit), store the permission bits for user, group, etc. Also you can store symbolic links (which allow one to use alias filename) for a file. For example on a normal ISO-9660 it displays the same icon for each file and folder when displayed on a MAC. By using Apple's extension to the ISO-9660 they can add icons and the specific MAC filesystem specific stuff and still remain compliant. This is why the system use fields are so useful. In general since almost all operating systems support the minimal level one standard for ISO-9660 there is really not much need to use the extensions. The exception would be the UNIX filesystem which really needs the Rock Ridge extensions to be effective. But even with the extensions it is still ISO-9660 complaint so it can be read on an DOS box, MAC, and the Atari. Another area where the ISO-9660 filesystem different is in the way the filesystem is defined. Under DOS/GEMDOS there is the FAT (file allocation table) which specifies which sectors are used for what files. On the ISO-9660 filesystem there is no FAT at all. Everything is simply defined as an offset and a length. Where the offset is the start sector and the length is how many bytes the file is. One must perform some simple math to calculate the number of sectors. Everything on a CD-ROM is contigious ... there is no need to jump all over the CD-ROM searching for the next sector. Just seek to the correct sector and read the X bytes which is defined by the filesize. Like DOS, the ISO-9660 has a boot record called the primary volume descriptor. This gives some background information on the CD-ROM, such as creator, date and time, etc. This primary volume descriptor (PVD) is just like the boot sector on a floppy or hard disk on a DOS machine. Under ISO, the PVD is at sector 16 which is different from DOS which needs to have its boot sector at sector zero. The PVD also includes the sector where the root directory is located. The root directory itself is actually a file that has a start sector and length. The difference is the contents of the file is the actual directory for other sub-directories and files on the disc. So in reality the ISO-9660 is a very simple filesystem to use and understand. Much simplier than DOS or GEMDOS and most definitely the UNIX filesystem. -- Albert ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 53 Thu Aug 04, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 02:23 EDT Roger, Thanks for the tip. I haven't tried running EDOS from the desktop .. yet. Am eagerly awaiting the Geneva upgrade, too! :-) al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 54 Thu Aug 04, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 06:08 EDT Simulator, Sorry, there are so many of the Corel Photo CDs out there now that I kinda assumed that was what you had. Since the Kodak Photo CD trademark is on them, and they don't say Corel on them, they're probably in true Kodak format. They're probably single session too which only means that the entire disk was filled up in one write operation. True Kodak format disks won't open as a directory window with Extendos 1.0 or 1.1, but might with 1.2. Take Care, Koloth ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 55 Thu Aug 04, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 19:58 EDT To: Greg and AEO.1(Albert) Thanks, guys, I appreciate your time & effort enlightening me and my questions. I look forward to using these resources with great anticipation. To: J.ROBORECKY (RAILROAD) Call or write NEC Technologies, Inc. 1255 Michael Drive Wood Dale, IL 60191-1094 (708) 860-9500 (708) 860-5593 fax You really, really have to be persistent with these folks if you really want to get OEM documentation. They won't charge for it, but they really don't follow through that easy unless you just keep doggin' it. Good Luck. (Took me couple months.) To: all I have recently tried accessing my two Photo CD's on my NEC 25. It appears they cannot be accessed on that drive (even though I have ensured that the only driver changes reflect the correct SCSI/physical ID's). I also made sure that the MultiTOS config was the same as it had worked when I used access to the Toshiba. Hope that makes sense to you all. (And no, I am not a southerner.) ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 56 Thu Aug 04, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 21:24 EDT Simulator, Looking at my doc for the NEC-35, I think it can be made to read XA data. It may be possible to make it read photoCD. I'll look into that once ExtenDOS Pro is out the door. Re ISO9660: photoCD disk have an ISO9660 format on top of an XA hardware format. So if you have a drive that can automagically switch between XA & non- XA modes, it can automagically read (single-session) photoCDs. Thanks for the bootup data. ExtenDOS v1.20 should support multisession photoCD on your 4101 'out of the box'. Roger Burrows / Anodyne Software ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 57 Thu Aug 04, 1994 S.MCGEE2 [Sam] at 18:58 PDT RE: Problems running ExtenDOS from Desktop Roger, I tried to duplicate my original problem without success. It seems that occasionally my NEC 3xp has problems reading discs. Once this happened after I ran ExtenDOS from the Desktop, a coincidence. The solution has been to reseat the disk and cycle power on the drive. It happens so infrequently it doesn't bother me. BTW, don't you lose ExtenDOS after every res-change unless it's run through the auto folder? There is another compatibility problem, however. My Falcon hangs up (2 bombs) after a resolution change with GemView 3 loaded as a Desk Accessory. The problem may originate in GemView since MasterBrowse 4.5a bombs with a GemView Accessory installed. Glad to hear about the P>15 fix. I need something to eat up some of this 14 Meg I just bought. :) Sam ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 58 Fri Aug 05, 1994 J.ROBORECKY [RAILROAD] at 03:45 EDT Simulator, Thanks for the info. Joe ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 59 Fri Aug 05, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 14:06 EDT Sam, TSRs aren't lost through res changes, so ExtenDOS should be still there. al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 60 Fri Aug 05, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 21:19 EDT To: R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] That sounds interesting. (I won't hold my breath. But I am glad that I bought the 4101... the specs also indicate it to be 2x ROM drive, btw). To: J.ROBORECKY [RAILROAD] Glad to be of help. (I'm not often in these RT's, but I respond to email). This topic is naturally of deep interest to me at this moment in time. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 61 Fri Aug 05, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 23:41 EDT Roger, Thanks very much for posting the upgrade to EDOS. It now works flawlessly under Geneva, NeoDesk 4.0 (hurrah!), Crazy Dots II, Data Diet and a bunch of other regular software I run. The drive, as you know, is an NEC 210, which I couldn't be happier with. It's much faster than the drives we use at the office, which cost four times as much and are OEM'd for networks. I haven't yet done network access (via MidiCom) to the CD-ROM drive on the TT from the ST, but I'll let you know what happens. Excellent job. Congratulations. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 62 Sat Aug 06, 1994 R.BEATTY3 [Buffalo Bob] at 00:56 PDT I want to second Al's emotion. Great upgrade. I'm glad to reduce the number of different configurations I need with XBoot. Plus, it only seems fair to use the two latest technologies _together_... Buffalo Bob ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 63 Sat Aug 06, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 13:18 EDT Sam, I don't think your 2-bomb problem is ExtenDOS's problem, since ExtenDOS doesn't know or care about a resolution change. However, DAs _do_ get reloaded, so it may well be a DA. Al, Thanks for your kind words. I look forward to hearing about MidiCom access. Roger Burrows / Anodyne Software ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 64 Sat Aug 06, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 14:55 EDT Uuuhhh, I have a rather (sheepish :/) question... how does one apply this upgrade if that one (sigh) was a leeeetle to quick in sending his original disk for the Pro upgrade?? (Oh boy.) ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 65 Sat Aug 06, 1994 P.MODOS [YIKES!] at 12:00 PDT Thanks for the update Roger! As soon as I get a copy of Questor I'll get 1.2 running. YIKES! out. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 66 Sun Aug 07, 1994 D.STMARTIN [Binary Ink] at 10:15 EDT Roger: So now I'm confused, can my NEC 74-1 read multisession PhotoCD's or not? I read the post listing the various drives and whether or not they were multisession or single session. What's confusing me is this "XA at the hardware level" stuff. What I really need to know is if I have a multisession disk will the NEC 74 read all the data? Thanks! -- Dave @ Binary Ink ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 67 Sun Aug 07, 1994 B.SALDANA1 [BOB S] at 08:36 PDT Roger My Extendos seems to be working ok other than the resolution conflicts with my mono monitor, do I need the upgrade why should I apply it to my existing disk. I do want to get the Audio upgrade. Has anyone come up with a list of the titles recommended to work on Atari. Can I see Full motion type files on some Cds? Any Fact books or literature titles recommended. Bob S ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 68 Sun Aug 07, 1994 AEO.1 [Albert Dayes] at 13:54 EDT Binary Ink, The NEC 74-1 is a multi-session compatible CD-ROM drive. The 74 (without the 1) is a single session only drive. -- Albert ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 69 Mon Aug 08, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 06:52 EDT Dave, I think that the NEC 74 (not sure what the -1 is) will read multisession PhotoCDs. The "XA at the hardware level" is something needed to read more than one session on a PhotoCD. Maybe a local photo shop could loan you a multisession disk and you can try it out or something... Hopefully you'll get a better answer later. <grin> Take Care, Lee B. P.S. Still planning on going to the Atlanta Show on August 20th ? I am. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 70 Tue Aug 09, 1994 P.MODOS [YIKES!] at 00:11 PDT Well, I've got the NEC 74-1, and for the life of me, I can not get it to see the second session on my Photo-CD. The Toshiba at my Atari dealer works fine. I'm taking my drive there tomorrow to try woring on it there. Perhaps I've done something wrong with the update. I don't know. All of the checks and messages see to be working fine. I've used the D= funtion and played with every other parameter in the Etendos.cnf file to no avail. I tried to call Roger, but he is away until the end of the week. If anyone out there has one of these drives and has made it work on a Falcon, please let me know! I've had the drive for seven months now, and I don't think I'll be able to return it. Sorry I couldn't give a better reply. But I'm frustrated and not to happy at the moment. I think I need to vent somehow. Thank you all for your patience. YIKES! out. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 71 Tue Aug 09, 1994 GREG at 21:57 CDT If your running from a Falcon, P.MODOS, you will need to wait a bit for NEC multi-session as the 1.2 release has problems with this combo. Roger was made aware and in typical Anodyne fashion has a beta of the fix done already. We have tested the fix and multi-session will work fine with it. As soon as it is completely tested, Anodyne will release it. All you need is a little patience. See my post in 30;9. It's All Relative ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 72 Wed Aug 10, 1994 S.AGARWAL [SANJAY] at 18:54 EDT Roger, I need some help with the ExtenDos upgrade... I have created new files as directed and have cheked them with the checkit program. All 5 updated files are said to be OK. I have replaced the CD.BOS and UNIDRIVE.DOS in my Extendos folder in C drive with the new ones and have replaced the ExtenDos.PRG in my auto folder with the new version. When I boot with extendos.prg (even with all other *.ACC and Auto programs off), I am unable to access Drive R, my CD-ROM drive. The CD Rom drive and my HD lights come on in turn for a few seconds each and keep alternating. I am left locked out of the system and have to reboot. I note others are not having this problem, so I suspect I have done something wrong. Any suggestions?? Thanks, Sanjay. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 73 Wed Aug 10, 1994 Y.DUFRESNE [Papageno] at 19:47 EDT I've got a question for you gurus: Is there a difference between Regular Photo CD and PRO Photo CD? What is it? Will ExtenDos 1.2 read PRO Photo CD? All I know at this point is that scanning in PRO format cost a lot more and gives a lot more definition. Thanks, Yanick ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 74 Wed Aug 10, 1994 GREG at 19:50 CDT Papageno: Pro Photo CD creates a very large file of about 64 meg in TIF or 128 meg in EPS. It is overkill for most uses and hardware requirements are very heavy. Unless your doing magazine covers or wall-sized posters, the Photo CD Master format will suffice for your uses. The highest resolution of Master is 3072 by 2048 which would convert to a 18 meg TIF or 36 meg EPS in true color. Master is the format you get back when you take your film or negatives in for processing. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 75 Wed Aug 10, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 22:04 EDT Sanjay, Post your EXTENDOS.CNF file and that may shed light on the problem. You should not be having this kind of difficulty. (You also may be mixing versions, which could do the same thing, I suppose.) BTW, you don't need to test it by booting with ExtenDOS. You can just click on EXTENDOS.PRG from the desktop. It doesn't need to be in the AUTO folder, and doesn't need to be run at bootup. Yanick, The Pro version of Photo CD has higher-res images in the PCD file. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 76 Wed Aug 10, 1994 S.AGARWAL [SANJAY] at 23:34 EDT Al, ExtenDos worked fine prior to the update so I suspect my *.CNF file is OK. I have not changed it. Just in case, it is: *BOS, C:\EXTENDOS\CD.BOS T=16, Y:9 *DOS, C:\EXTENDOS\UNIDRIVE.DOS P=12 B=2 R/W, R:Y I have excluded lines starting with a semicolon. Thanks for the help. Sanjay. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 77 Thu Aug 11, 1994 D.FARRINGTO1 [David <>< .] at 01:11 PDT Sanjay: The patch I completed did not work also. I'm not sure what went wrong. I got "patch successful" also. My problem is not quite like your's. My CD drive does blink once when I access it(3401) but when UIS III finishes looking at the drive I get a blank directory. I don't get locked out of my system. Just the CD. David <>< ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 78 Thu Aug 11, 1994 R.BRITTO. [Rick] at 22:51 EDT Hi all! I've got ExtenDos working with Geneva OK but, Stalker will not except any typed messages with ExtenDos activated. I get this message; Illegal Aes and then some Code#. Rick Britto ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 79 Thu Aug 11, 1994 Y.DUFRESNE [Papageno] at 23:15 EDT GREG, The reason I thought of going to PRO is that the transparencies are 4x5 and not 35mm. There are two resolutions available with PRO PCD on my price list from the lab: 2kx3k and 4kx6k. The first seems to be the same as the highest Master, right? It would then make the same 18 megs of data. As for the higher rez, would be 75.5 megs. If this project ever get's client approval, I'll be doing some calandar with high quality pictures about 8x10 inches. Thanks for the info! Yanick ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 80 Thu Aug 11, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 23:41 EDT Sanjay, The CNF looks fine to me. Make sure you are not trying to run any of the drivers or the ExtenDOS program itself in TT RAM. All, So far, I'm not having any luck reading my CD-ROM across the network (MidiCom in this case). Anyone try this successfully yet? All I get is what appears to be the root directory of the CD-ROM. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 81 Fri Aug 12, 1994 P.MODOS [YIKES!] at 00:09 PDT Thanks for the encouraging reply, Greg! I talked to Roger on the phone, and he seemed to be good fellow. That is why I stuck with my current drive back then. I know he'll be out with the new revision ASAP. Do you know weather the new revision will be the "Pro" version or not? Or will the next "Pro" version have all the latest updates in it? YIKES! out. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 82 Fri Aug 12, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 14:05 EDT Yikes, The Pro version will have all the latest updates. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 83 Fri Aug 12, 1994 S.AGARWAL [SANJAY] at 19:17 EDT Al, Thanks for checking out the *.CNF file. All three files are set to ST RAM. Any more suggestions?? Thanks, Sanjay. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 84 Fri Aug 12, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 20:02 EDT Sanjay, Extract the files again; one might be munged. The upgrade worked fine here, and it's hard to imagine the older version would work and the newer one would not, unless one of the files is bad. Try running ExtenDOS itself without any CNF; see if it gives the appropriate error message without crashing. If it crashes, ExtenDOS it bad. If it does not, the DOS or BOS drivers may be bad. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 85 Fri Aug 12, 1994 FB [ST Librarian] at 22:30 EDT Was just playing with my updated version of ExtenDOS (1.20) and found that with no D= settings it would not talk multi-session with my PowerCD (which is a Phillips 080 drive). Putting the D=30 (Apple/Sony multi-session) woke the PowerCD up and now I can get to all the files on my 5 session PhotoCD. The Sony 33A on my IBM choked on the 5th session. Was fine until then but now won't even SEE the disk. Now I can get to the pictures and use them! Thanks for the multi-session PhotoCD capability! Fred Beckman ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 86 Fri Aug 12, 1994 GREG at 22:04 CDT Fred: We have found on the NEC series that support it, it multi-session with the new version of ExtenDOS works better than the Windows drivers we have. Glad to see you got the same results with the CD-300 by Apple. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 87 Fri Aug 12, 1994 GREG at 22:08 CDT Papageno: Your numbers are correct. If you do get the Pro scans, you still will have the lower resolutions to work with too. To use the Pro's 6144 by 4096 you will need a high end graphics work station. Kodak suggests 100 meg of memory as a minimum. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 88 Fri Aug 12, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 23:51 EDT Simulator, Just copy your files to a floppy (or another folder) and apply the patches there ... or make backup copies of your live files and apply it to the live files. Binary Ink, The NEC 74-1 will read multisession photoCDs OK. As GREG said, there's a problem with 1.20 and the Falcon. It will be fixed by a 1.21 patch, to be uploaded soon. My apologies to Falcon owners. Bob S, 1. What resolution conflicts are you having ?? The only time ExtenDOS displays anything is during bootup. 2. The upgrade fixes a number of problems ... it's recommended. If you don't want to apply it to your master diskette, you don't have to, just apply it to a backup copy. Sanjay, What drive and system are you using ? Which version of ExtenDOS did you upgrade from ? Also, a trace of the problem would be helpful, so do the following: 1. Ensure that T= is set on the *BOS line. Use T=100. 2. Reboot your system, then try to access the cd-rom. 3. Run TRACE.TTP: a) double-click on TRACE.TTP from the desktop b) in the dialog box, enter: ALL <filename> where <filename> is the full name of the trace file to be created. c) TRACE.TTP will copy the in-memory trace table to the specified file. 4. Send me the trace file. David <><, Please send me the same info as for Sanjay. Roger Burrows / Anodyne Software ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 89 Fri Aug 12, 1994 B.SALDANA1 [BOB S] at 21:39 PDT Roger- I got my Scsi termination problems squared away and trashed my hard drive. I'm not having any resolution problems I was just commenting that aside from not being able to run med res prgs on my hi res mono monitor everthing seems to be ok but was wondering why I might feel the need to upgrade to 1.20 although I do want your pro update for Audio support. Bob S ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 90 Sat Aug 13, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 12:02 EDT Thanks Roger, I appreciate that very much. I look forward to the Pro version with great anticipation as well. Thanks for your support of the Atari Platform. (TOAD has t-shirts saying "My other computer is an Atari". But I say - "All three of my other computers ARE Ataris!") ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 91 Sat Aug 13, 1994 VORTEXT at 14:43 PDT Sanjay, nowhere in your post did you mention that you also copied the TRACE.TTP and the UNI_BDDS.DOS. Did you? If not, copy those over as well. I just did the upgrade on my machine and everything works well so far. Daniel ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 92 Sat Aug 13, 1994 S.AGARWAL [SANJAY] at 19:25 EDT Al, I have downloaded a new copy of the file and reupdated my files. Still no sucess despite the checkit program telling me that my files are OK. No error message if I run extendos from the desktop, just the standard program info. Roger, I have sent you my trace file as GEnie mail. Sanjay. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 93 Sat Aug 13, 1994 S.AGARWAL [SANJAY] at 19:33 EDT Vortex, No, I have not copied over the new TRACE.TTP and UNI_BDDS.DOWS files. I did not have them in my original configuration so did not think they were necessary for the working of Extendos. Where shoud they go? Thanks Sanjay. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 94 Sat Aug 13, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 20:29 EDT To all ExtenDOS users: I have just discovered a bug in v1.20 that affects directory access. If the size of your path table buffer (set by the P= parameter) is less than the size of the path table on a given CD-ROM, some folders may show up empty when they aren't. The circumvention is to increase the size of the path table buffer (P=24 is large enough for any CD-ROM I've come across). The fix will be in v1.21, which I plan to upload shortly. My apologies for the inconvenience. Rick, Which version of ExtenDOS are you using ? Are you running STalker as a DA or prog ? A brief test on my TT with Stalker as a prog didn't seem to show any problems. Roger Burrows / Anodyne Software ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 95 Sat Aug 13, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 21:45 EDT Sim, Three of my computers are Ataris, too. And so's the fourth. The two others are (harump!) PeeCees. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 96 Sun Aug 14, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 10:57 EDT Goodness, Al! Now I don't feel so alone out here in the vastness of Atariland! Viva la fuji! ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 97 Sun Aug 14, 1994 R.BRITTO. [Rick] at 13:40 EDT Roger, I'm using ExtenDos with a Falcon 030 with TOS 4.04 RAM Gizmo 14 Meg upgrade, Geneva v1.3 NeoDesk v3.04 1.2G Seagate HD and a 270Meg SyQuest Removable HD. Stalker is used as a DA. Also, on bootup I get an illegal AES code when boot with SAM.ACC the audio desktop manager. So far I've been able to get them all running together only if I load ExtenDos after bootup. I've also come across the problem of blank folders showing up on the CD Roms too. Rick Britto P.S. I've sent for the PRO version too. Thanks for making this work better. Even with the bugs this program is a worth it's wait in gold! ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 98 Mon Aug 15, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 08:07 EDT Sim, Or, as one software package I bought years ago stated, "The word 'Atari' and the fugi symbol are copyrighted by Atari Corp." I've heard of fungi, but is a fugi some sort of growth? :-) Rick, If EDOS works when run from the desktop, try playing with the load order in the AUTO folder. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 99 Mon Aug 15, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 20:25 EDT Al, Grow your own I always say (because I'll have nothin' to do wi' it) ./ ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 100 Tue Aug 16, 1994 S.AGARWAL [SANJAY] at 20:17 EDT Roger, Thanks for the help. Your last suggestion (by e-mail) has got it working well. CD acess actually seems much faster than with the preevious version of ExtenDOS. I have sent you a new trace file. Sanjay. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 101 Tue Aug 16, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 21:30 EDT Bob S, The main reason to upgrade to v1.2x is photoCD support. There are also some other minor improvements, but if v1.1x gives you what you need, that's great. Sanjay, Thanks for the trace etc ... see my email for the answers! Rick Britto, Al's advice is good re AUTO folder order. If ExtenDOS works fine after bootup, you should be able to just make it the last one (physically) in AUTO. For what it's worth, I run it first, followed by: SERIALFX CACHENNN FOLDR100 (optionally) JAR10 & GENEVA WARP9 Re the blank folders: try increasing the P= parameter (as in my previous msg). If that fixes it, the permanent fix is in v1.21; if it doesn't fix it, let me know & I'll look into it. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 102 Wed Aug 17, 1994 AEO.1 [Albert Dayes] at 01:25 EDT Roger, Have you looked at the new Plexor 4X CD-ROM drive? It sounds good from the specs: SCSI, 1 MEG buffer, 4X speed, 220 ms access time, etc. -- Albert ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 103 Wed Aug 17, 1994 STEVE-J [EeEckyThump!] at 04:56 EDT Will ExtenDOS handle the Reno portable CD-ROM (it's a double-speed, SCSI-2, 180ms (!!!) access time drive that you can unplug from its SCSI-2 interface unit and use as a portable audio CD player)? ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 104 Fri Aug 19, 1994 GREG at 21:47 CDT It's All Relative will be at the CAF Show in Bridgeport next weekend. If you have any CD rom questions, stop by. If not, be sure to check out the latest in CD Rom discs and software. We will have version 1.21 of ExtenDOS available. Version 1.21 will fix any problems with multi-session Photo CD and the Falcon. We've been using it for two weeks now and it is fantastic. The STe version of Photo Show Pro will also be available at the show. We will also have a couple of surprise discs available. See CAT 11 for more details on the show. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 105 Sat Aug 20, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 01:46 EDT Greg, I'll be there with dough for those new CD-ROMs! Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 106 Sat Aug 20, 1994 GREG at 01:41 CDT Al: Looking forward to seeing you at CAF. Have you installed the ExtenDOS update just posted here on GEnie? The multi-session support is great. Check out Damien's post in CAT 30; TOP 9 on the Photo Show Pro update now in the works for the TT. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 107 Sat Aug 20, 1994 FALCONER at 05:19 PDT Hi, Y'All........... :0 A question, please, regarding the use of ExtenDOS: On Page 3, >System Requirements< , it states that "SCSI CD-ROM drives are supported.......via the ACSI DMA port AND the ICD ADSCSI Host Adapter (or equivalent). Now, knowing that there are SEVERAL VERSIONS of this fine device out and about, I am curious as to whether or not this program is meant to work with ALL KNOWN SCSI CD-ROM drives, and ALL of the versions of this host. I know that it works under the LINK, as the LINK can reconize ad acknowledge darn near EVERYTHING. What I would like to know is this: I have a CDR-25BJ unit, which is said to be the NEC 25. I am of the notion that this is a SCSI-2 device/unit. Am I correct?? If so, WHICH of the existing ICD hosts available will recognize this unit, or will THEY ALL do so?? Last item: Page 18, Appendix C: Troubleshooting---it mentions that SCSI equipment requires a >terminator< . Could somebody please clarify this for me/us, and tell us how/what we need to do to set this function (!?)?? Also, is this drive indeed a SCSI-2 drive??? So many questions, and all we want to do is >FINALLY< use the CD's we have been accumulating!!! THANKS in advance for all HELP!! :) Ta..........Tracy......(Long Time, Huh?!) :0 ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 108 Sat Aug 20, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 09:30 EDT Greg, Roger sent me an upgrade via e-mail, asking me to test it. You're right; it's wonderful. Falconer, The NEC-25 and all SCSI devices need to work on a SCSI bus that is terminated by resistors on each end of the bus. Usually all you need to worry about is the termination on the outer end, which means you plug a terminating connector ($5 or so) into the SCSI OUT port on the drive, or just flip a switch on the drive. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 109 Sat Aug 20, 1994 GREG at 12:23 CDT Al: The update to ExtenDOS is available for download on GEnie. I think the filename is EDOS_121.ZIP. Check it out. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 110 Sat Aug 20, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 15:59 EDT ALL: The patch archive to bring ExtenDOS up to version 1.21 has been uploaded to the libraries; it should be released soon. All users, particularly those with v1.20, should upgrade. The patch archive is called EDOS_121.LZH. I'm also uploading two other files that ExtenDOS users may be interested in: CDBENCH.LZH this is a benchmark (performance) program for your CD-ROM. Just how fast is it anyway? SUNFIX.LZH this is a program to allow Sun-compatible drives to be used with ExtenDOS. Feedback is encouraged, as always. Roger Burrows / Anodyne Software ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 111 Sat Aug 20, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 17:56 EDT Albert, I've seen the announcement re Plextor (they used to be Texel in case anyone is interested). It looks very good. Do you know if they are shipping yet? Steve, I just got a registration card from a user with the Reno portable and a Falcon. I haven't had any phone calls from him, so I'm assuming it works OK. Do you know what the Reno really is (i.e. what id ExtenDOS display when it boots with the Reno)? Also, if anyone has access to one of these, I'd be interested to see the performance reported by CDBENCH (just uploaded here). FALCONER, You should have my email by now. v1.21 will fix your problems. Also, the NEC25 is definitely _not_ SCSI-2, although it really doesn't matter for the basic functions. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 112 Sat Aug 20, 1994 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 20:42 EDT Roger, have you tested the Plextor? I read a PC CD mag that had the Plextor rated as "best value". Their external kit is much 200.00 less than the Toshiba. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 113 Sat Aug 20, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 22:07 EDT Greg, I downloaded the upgrade, and applied it to my copy of 1.20. But I am also testing the Pro version, and I am assuming (from the larger file size of ExtenDOS in the Pro version) that I can't just interchange the files. So I'm not using v. 1.21 yet. Lou, I'd say the best value is the NEC 210 that MacWarehouse is selling for $199. It's an external drive, no caddy needed, and you get a cable free. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 114 Sat Aug 20, 1994 GREG at 23:40 CDT Al: Is the NEC-210 a SCSI-2 device or only SCSI-1? Is the cable a Falcon or standard SCSI-1 cable? ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 115 Sat Aug 20, 1994 GREG at 23:51 CDT Lou: The Texel drives suffer from some adjustment problems and had trouble reading a write-once disc. Lots of complaints on the PC side. We had it as a not- suggested brand for the Falcon due in part to its PC problems more than anything. Once adjusted for write-once it then had problems reading stamped CD's. I think they may have changed names to shake a bad reputation and get a clean start for their new models. We've got no Plextor complaints to date. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 116 Sat Aug 20, 1994 B.SALDANA1 [BOB S] at 22:26 PDT Greg I believe it's Scsi 1. I got mine from a MAC wherehouse store for $199.00 after Al said it was OK with Extendos. I assume it is Photo CD capable. Very capable drive. I had a Texel [plextor] and had problems and took it back but when I think about it may have been a parity or termination problem. Bob S ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 117 Sun Aug 21, 1994 STEVE-J [Steve @ NMG] at 06:31 EDT R.BURROWS1 - Maybe I can borrow one of the Reno drives from work (we sell them for $329.99) -- one was returned "defective" a few days ago, but I've moved to a different store. Of course, I'd have to have a copy of ExtenDOS too! <grin> The packaging clearly claims a 180ms access time, though, on EVERY side of the box (it's also has a SCSI-2 interface -- cable included!). I still can't really justify that kind of expense for my system, though, even with my discount. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 118 Sun Aug 21, 1994 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 09:23 EDT Thanks for the tip, Al. Do you have phone number for Macwarehouse? Greg, thanks for that alert! ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 119 Sun Aug 21, 1994 B.SALDANA1 [BOB S] at 07:37 PDT Steve-J I bought Extendos and a Texel and Quickforms and a cable and the Texel seemed to give a problem where my ID's were changed and I couldn't boot up. I returned it but kept everything else and 2 months later bought a $199.00 Nec- 210 and was glad I still had Extendos. I like going through my Quick forms CD,clip art CD, and M.O.S.T.midi Cds.<G> Very quickly. I hope Pagestream does a 3.0 up te on CD! Excuse me while I kiss the sky. Bob S ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 120 Sun Aug 21, 1994 AEO.1 [Albert Dayes] at 10:56 EDT Roger, I've seen a few people on CIS that had them for PCs and said they worked fine. The Plexor 4Plex that is. I'll need to ask what type of applications they use and if multi-session Photo CD works okay. -- Albert ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 121 Sun Aug 21, 1994 GREG at 11:55 CDT BOB S The NEC-210 will do single-session Photo CD. Calamus has a Kodak Photo CD import driver. On Pagestream, you can convert a Photo CD Image to TIF using our export module included with Photo Show or other applications that handle the format and then load the converted image into Pagestream. We will have an 11 by 14 true color image printed from Kodak Photo CD at the CAF Show in Bridgeport on August 27-August 28. You'll be impressed by the image quality. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 122 Sun Aug 21, 1994 B.SALDANA1 [BOB S] at 10:17 PDT Greg Will you be able to take credit cards there? Maybe I can Phone in an order. I'd like to get a label maker that supports Speedo Gdos 5 also. Bob S ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 123 Sun Aug 21, 1994 ARCHIVIST [Charlie] at 14:04 EDT Lou, before you mail order why don't you give Global Drives here in town a call? They carry a lot of stuff, at great prices, and they even know what an Atari *IS*. :-) Figuring in the exchange and shipping the CD from MACWarehouse will be about $300 CAN and I'm sure Global has something under that range, and you can pick it up instead of waiting for the postman. (905) 475-1964. They're in Markham. Charlie/sysop ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 124 Sun Aug 21, 1994 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 14:26 EDT Thanks, Charlie. I shop regularly at Global. Too regularly :-) I don't recall seeing the NEC there, but I will call and check. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 125 Sun Aug 21, 1994 ARCHIVIST [Charlie] at 19:39 EDT Well, if they don't have the NEC they will have something. Just let them know what all your requirements for the drive are. Charlie/sysop ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 126 Sun Aug 21, 1994 GREG at 20:59 CDT BOB S: We don't take credit cards, but all of our applications can be purchased through your favorite Atari dealer who most likely does. It's All Relative ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 127 Sun Aug 21, 1994 B.SALDANA1 [BOB S] at 20:59 PDT Lou- Ask for a Mac CD Rom External Drive then as you make the purchase say it is for your Atari.<G> Bob S ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 128 Mon Aug 22, 1994 GREG at 00:34 CDT BOB S: That is a very good suggestion you just made. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 129 Mon Aug 22, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 06:16 EDT Greg, My list says the NEC 210 does multi-session Photo CD. All, MacWarehouse: 800 225-6227. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 130 Mon Aug 22, 1994 GREG at 20:09 CDT Al: Your right, the NEC-210 is multi-session but SCSI-1. I got it reversed. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 131 Tue Aug 23, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 06:34 EDT MacWarehouse will send you a standard SCSI cable instead of the one with a Mac connector on one end if you just ask them. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 132 Tue Aug 23, 1994 D.MCANDREW [Simulator] at 23:34 EDT Oh, man! Just got back from the West Coast for a week and what do I find ! I knew it! I knew it! I knew it! I knew it! I just knew that CD-ROM was supposed to work this way!! All else I can say is... Roger, that's awful low!! I say the price is too low!! Get it up there! This product is worth more than every dime we each pay! Great product! (... now if we could only network over a Novell ethernet line...) hint, hint. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 133 Wed Aug 24, 1994 GREG at 00:00 CDT Had a chance to use a NEC-210 internal tonight. Nice drive, no caddy needed. It has full multi-session Photo CD support using ExtenDOS 1.21. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 134 Wed Aug 24, 1994 R.MELON [Ron] at 12:14 CDT Roger Anodyne, When I first started using ExtenDOS I had troble reading some of my CDs. But thanks to you, now I am useing the right Driver I have no problem reading any of my CDs. I have one Question, when I Install ExtenDOS it shows me that I am running ExtenDOS Verison 1.3 CD ACSI/SCSI Bus Driver V1.5 ISO9660/High Sierra BDDs Driver V1.4 I did Install Upgrade V1.2, But did not Install V1.21. Why is it showing me that I have V1.3? I am waiting to make sure that this is ok before I Install the new upgrade V1.21. As I said I am having no Troble Reading Any Of My CDs. Thanks for your great product for it has opened a whole new world for me in ATARI World. Keep up the great work. R.Melon ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 135 Wed Aug 24, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 13:34 EDT Greg, I knew you'd like the NEC 210. <g> Fast, too! Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 136 Wed Aug 24, 1994 B.SALDANA1 [BOB S] at 18:44 PDT Greg I like it too! Who has Photo show STE on the West Coast? Bob S ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 137 Wed Aug 24, 1994 GREG at 21:28 CDT BOB S: The STe version of Photo Show Pro will be in the dealer pipeline in September. We are only selling direct right now as the packaging and manual have not been finalized yet for the STe version. You'll find a few surprises in the package that will be worth the wait. We will be showing the STe version at the CAF Show this weekend, about as far from California as you can get. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 138 Thu Aug 25, 1994 L.W.BENJAMIN [Koloth] at 07:09 EDT Ron, The 1.20 and 1.21 are the version numbers for the entire package, the version numbers you get when ExtenDOS runs are for the individual pieces. I think the readme file in the 1.21 package clears this up somewhat. Take Care, Lee B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 139 Thu Aug 25, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 22:10 EDT Ron, Lee is right. It is a bit confusing, I'm afraid. The v1.21 _package_ updates the files to the following versions: EXTENDOS.PRG (ExtenDOS) 1.4 CD.BOS (CD ACSI/SCSI BOS Driver) 1.6 UNIDRIVE.DOS (ISO9660/High Sierra Driver) 1.5 UNI_BDDS.DOS (ISO9660/High Sierra BDDS Driver) 1.5 If you are not having any problems with your CDs, it's not absolutely necessary to upgrade; just keep it in mind as the first thing to do if you ever _do_ run into trouble. And thanks for the kind words! Regards, Roger Burrows / Anodyne Software ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 140 Fri Aug 26, 1994 R.MELON [Ron] at 00:02 CDT Thanks Roger,for I had to ask. I will go ahead and install V1.21. Thanks R.Melon ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 141 Sat Aug 27, 1994 L.RAZIONALE [Gino] at 03:52 EDT Roger, Thanks for a really great program. Gino ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 142 Sat Aug 27, 1994 FALCONER at 03:44 PDT Gino: Hear, Hear!! AGREED, and a whole-hearted BIG-TIME SECOND to that!! A most happy and chipper bird (of late!).....FALCONER........:) ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 143 Sat Aug 27, 1994 VORTEXT at 11:04 PDT Let me simply say as well, Thanks Roger. Sometimes we neglect to let people know that we appreaciate their efforts. ExtenDOS is a much needed and welcomed tool. Nice work and cudos on the fixes. Daniel ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 144 Sun Aug 28, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 12:26 EDT Roger, I need help. I picked up five new CD-ROMs from Greg at the CAF. They include the first ones I've accessed that have Atari programs on them -- and the three that have programs (Gemini and the two German collections) are giving my setup fits. I'm using the version of Pro 2.0 you sent to test. When I try to run a program that's on the CD, I get bombs from Geneva. If I copy the program to my HD (along with any supporting files and so on) I get bombs. If I go to the packed or zipped version on the CD and extract the files to my HD, the program will run. In other words, something is interfering with these executable files. Text files come up in my viewer just fine, however. In brief, even when I copy the files from the CD to my hard drive, they can't be run. MaxiFile copies them without protest, but the files are just not intact, apparently. Also, NeoDesk 4 can access any of the files and folders on all of these CD- ROMS, but cannot copy them successfully when any nested folders are traversed. I can go down into the folder tree with Neo 4 and then copy files from that folder, but can't (for example) drag a folder from the CD-ROM to a location on my har drive. Neo 4 gives me an alert saying that a file can't be accessed and then tries to access the others. This message apparently refers to the folder access, since it's the first thing Neo 4 does before trying to copy the actual files. The mystery is that no matter how I copy the files (MaxiFile, which I trust implicitly, or Neo 4, which I have no reason to mistrust), they are not runnable. I've eliminated all the usual possibilities (RSC fiels that can't be found, and so on) by concentrating on files that are stand-alone apps or DAs. STZIP complains aout the ZIP files, but usually the programs that it extracts run OK. The complaint ("fails CRC check") may be telling us something about how the data is being (mis)handled off the CD drive. Roger, I'm at a loss. I've played with the ExtenDOS cache settings without much effect. I haven't gone back and installed any of the previous versions of EDOS, in the understanding that this one should be *better* behaved in every way. It certainly seems that way. I also tried turning off the ICD cache, and that (oddly enough) made things worse. What would cause this oddity with the integrity of files on the CD-ROMs? And why wouldn't texts be affected? (Or, if they are, is it possible that the change to the byte structure is so minor that it isn't even visible when a text is read?) Argh! Help!! Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 145 Sun Aug 28, 1994 M.EASTER [Mike] at 11:06 PDT Al - re unexecutable executables on/from CDROM Wonder what you would find out if you used Compare to compare the executables which would run (decompressed from CDROM to HD) to those which would not (copied from or non-compressed on CDROM)? I'm assuming there are compressed versions of the non-compressed on the CDROM. Mike Easter ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 146 Sun Aug 28, 1994 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 14:57 EDT Al, you've already been to the show, bought all this stuff, drove back home, and had time to test all these discs! You sure seem to get a lot done in one day! ;-) or two..... John B. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 147 Sun Aug 28, 1994 J.BATTEY1 [Dal.I-Dotter] at 15:01 CDT Roger, Did we send you a copy of the August AUNT Bytes newsletter? We generally try to send a copy to a developer whose product make the front page. John L. Battey Dal.I-Dotter ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 148 Sun Aug 28, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 18:28 EDT Mike and everyone, Thanks for the quick replies. I got everything working again after some app (was it Geneva? I dunno; all I saw was an alert from something that was running) telling me I had a bus error -- hardware! So I checked the cable connections and one of the SCSI cable-ends was slightly loose. It was on the last device in a good-size chain, too, which may have worsened things. Neo 4 still has a problem with access into nested folders, but a change in the EDOS buffers may fix that. (It can access nested folders fine to run programs on the CD-ROMs, but it complains when I ask it to copy stuff that is nested inside the current folder.) Luckily, MaxiFile is still here, and I would not leave the home row without it. :-) The Fractal Frenzy CD-ROM I got a CAF is a knockout, BTW. (Now that I can view it!) John B., Six hour drive back, then seven hours at the keyboard. Yech. I'm worn out. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 149 Mon Aug 29, 1994 GREG at 21:53 CDT Al: We've had Fractal Frenzy here for about six months now and still haven't finished going all the way through it yet. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 150 Mon Aug 29, 1994 GREG at 22:26 CDT Al: The four most common problems with CD rom drives are: Device numbers set wrong. Loose connectors. Too long a SCSI cable (Chinon drives in particular) Interference. At CAF we had our SCSI cable looped around the monitor and were getting random read problems until we moved it a couple inches from the monitor. This can be a tough one as the read error are more random than those caused by other problems. P.S. Don't try the D.A.M.E. recorder demo on the GEMini CD when you are tired. Its first question when it boots is "Is it OK to reformat your hard disk for sound storage?". ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 151 Tue Aug 30, 1994 P.FLETCHER4 at 18:57 EDT I was wondering if anyone can tell me why my apple cd-300 works perfectly with my Falcon, but not at all with my 1040st. I have the device driver at BOS, C:\EXTENDOS\CD.BOS T=16, Z:5. My falcon finds the drive at scsi 5, but the st seems to not find it at asci 5. Do I have to change the device line for the St or should they be the same? I also thought that maybe the apple cd-300 does not power the link. If that is the case I assume I cannot use it with my st. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Pete ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 152 Tue Aug 30, 1994 DMJ [dmj] at 18:37 CDT Greg, After you get finished going through the disc, make sure you find a PC and install FractInt and start playing around. Then you'll never have to worry about running out. (Any fractal generator on the ST will do as well, but as yet I haven't seen any that generate nearly as many fractal types as FractInt. Oddly enough the sources are included; anyone feel up to an ST port?) ~dmj ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 153 Tue Aug 30, 1994 GREG at 20:30 CDT DMJ: Somewhere/someplace I saw a copy of the port posted. Didn't DL it. I'll search and see if I can find out what service it was on. The Fractal CD is fun. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 154 Tue Aug 30, 1994 M.BATES8 [Marlin Bates] at 21:30 PDT Pete, Regarding your CD-300 on your ST. I see you are using a Link. The Link IS getting power! But, if you are using a Link or the older versions of the ICD adaptors they need Parity turned off. In order to do this on the CD-300 you must disassemble the case and get at the back of the drive. I believe there is a purple wire back there (Okay so it may not be purple BUT it is labled parity) - Clip it. It should now work fine. PLUS, if you are also using it on a Mac it will STILL work fine (even with the wire clipped). I am assuming it works on a Falcon because the Falcon does not care about SCSI parity. But, since I do not own a Falcon this is only a guess. Hope this helps. P.S. I used a CD-300 on my ST & STe with a Link Host Adaptor until I got a CD- 150 for $99 and put the 300 back on the Mac. Truth be told the 150 is actually faster on the STe than the 300 is on the Mac! ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 155 Tue Aug 30, 1994 FALCONER at 22:38 PDT Marlin: Are you running a CD-ROM unit with an OLDER version of an ICD host?? I.E., an ORIGINAL, or an Advantage?? If so, PLEASE, enlighten us all. According to the doc manual,it only works with the ICD AdSCSI hosts, or else the Link. I have also found that it works with the Supra host, as well. If you are truly using it on one of the OLDER, EARLIER ICD hosta adaptors, this would be most interesting...... Thanks in advance, for everybody who also has an ORIGINAL ICD host!!! :) *****FALCONER***** ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 156 Wed Aug 31, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 04:51 EDT Greg, Hey, just what I need, a reformatted 1.2-gig drive! :-) Thanks for the tip on the cabling. I got the best cables money can buy (you oughta see 'em -- looks like NASA paid the bill!) and yet I didn't have one end in all the way. Dumb, dumb... Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 157 Wed Aug 31, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 08:03 EDT dmj, Topaz does a superb job of fractal design on the TT (and possibly on the F030; it's designed for the 68030/68881). Fractal Play is unusual in the way it draws fractals -- a region at a time. Looks good and runs faaast at 48MHz. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 158 Wed Aug 31, 1994 B.SALDANA1 [BOB S] at 07:25 PDT Roger Burrows I got the Bitstream Windows 500 Font CD and was able to copy a font for use in Pagestream. Gosh I like this program!<G>ExtenDos That is. I haven't TRIED it for Speedo 5 yet. But in Pagestream it was pretty easy. I'm still using the original version and probably won't change till you have the Pro version out with Audio Control. Bob S ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 159 Wed Aug 31, 1994 P.FLETCHER4 at 18:06 EDT thanks MArlin......I'll try it. :) pete ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 160 Wed Aug 31, 1994 B.WILLIS3 [Bill] at 20:21 EDT Bob S., You just installed one font for PageStream? Geez, I went ahead an d installed all 500 0! It took a while for PageStream to digest all those files, but once it finished there was no noticeable reduction in speed. The program loads just as fast, and it takes just slightly longer when it first retrieves a font from the CD, as opposed to fonts on the hard drive. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 161 Wed Aug 31, 1994 P.FLETCHER4 at 21:43 EDT MArlin, you are the man.....thanks...that worked great!!!!! ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 162 Wed Aug 31, 1994 R.BURROWS1 [Roger@Anodyn] at 23:29 EDT Gino / Robert / Daniel, Thank you for the kind words. The support I get from the Atari community is a real encouragement to my programming efforts! J.BATTEY1, No, I haven't seen your newsletter ... is making the front page a _good_ thing ? :-) :-) :-) Al, Glad the problems seem to be (mostly) resolved. I have NeoDesk on back order from Toad, so I'll look at your 'nested directory problem' whenever it arrives. ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 163 Wed Aug 31, 1994 M.BATES8 [Marlin Bates] at 20:38 PDT Bob S. I was wondering if you could tell us where you got the Bitstream Windows Font CD? Sounds neat! Thanks -Marlin ************* Pete, good to hear that my meager suggestions worked. Just to clarify I am not usggesting that an original ICD Host Adaptor works with ExtenDOS. I was just saying that the old Adaptors require Parity off. -Marlin ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 164 Wed Aug 31, 1994 B.SALDANA1 [BOB S] at 23:44 PDT Marlin I picked it up at Egghead Software. When I try to order some from the vendors online that advertise Cd Roms they don't take Credit cards or they don't return calls on their answering machines. Bob S ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 165 Thu Sep 01, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 13:22 EDT Thanks, Ronger. Just try dropping a folder from a CD-ROM disk to a folder on the hard drive to copy it, and you'll see the problem. Al ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 166 Thu Sep 01, 1994 R.BRITTO. [Rick] at 19:26 EDT Roger, I wanted to know if you received my check for the upgrade to the Pro version you're releasing. My name is Rick Britto, address 53 Ocean St. New Bedford, MA 02740-3554. I love your program Roger! I also purchased the 500 Font CD by Bitstream and BitMaker to create screen fonts for PageStream. What a dream come true! Thank You! You have opened a whole new world of computing to us all! Rick Britto ------------ Category 2, Topic 30 Message 167 Thu Sep 01, 1994 B.WILLIS3 [Bill] at 21:54 EDT Marlin, I bought the Bitstream 500 Font CD from Toad Computers -- they do take credit cards, and they have a live person who answers their 800 line. I think they're getting $39 for the CD, which contains 500 fonts in TrueType and PostScript Type 1 formats. ------------